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    Kolai

    Could Eithan be considered a monarch faction genius like Mercy or Sophara ?

    Will Wight

    Uh, he could be. He could be, potentially. He wasn't really in this particular case because he wasn't fighting for the faction who raised him who could take credit for him, right.

    So... Therefore they don't consider him representative of their training prowess, as a matter of fact the Arelius family is just kinda happy he's there. So there's not really a, they don't actually claim responsibility for him, but if that were, if the family situation was different, yes, absolutely, he could be considered that way.

    July - December 2020 ()
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    Questioner

    I totally understand Will's point about they don't currently sell, therefore doesn't make sense to put a lot of effort into it.

    Will Wight

    Yeah, let me elaborate on that a little bit.

    While what I said was and is true, it’s less about “current merch sales are low, so we won’t invest more in them,” and more that we have little indication that merchandise is worth investing in at all.

    The only reason we have any merch whatsoever is because when we didn’t, we got REGULAR requests for “Something. Anything. Even just a book logo on a shirt!”

    Okay, cool! We have that now.

    Anything more than that requires a lot—and I do mean a lot; like, more than you’d think—of time and attention to get rolling.

    In order to be willing to invest so much into it, we would need to think that there would be enough of a market that we would break even on our costs and time.

    YOU would buy a Path of Twin Stars decorative book or a sword-replica letter opener. I believe you would, and frankly those sound really cool. I would be proud to sell those.

    But how many people do you represent? Are we talking ten sales? A hundred? A thousand?

    I have no idea.

    We have to price it so that we’re not taking a loss on the individual item, AND assume that we sell enough to break even on the investment to develop and maintain these products. Which is a lot to take on faith.

    And I, personally, would not buy either of those products if I were a Cradle fan. So it’s hard for me to say that we would sell enough to make the investment worth it.

    TL;DR - Current merch sales being low aren’t the only reason we suspect we couldn’t sustain a line of high-quality merchandise.

    July - December 2020 ()
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    Will Wight

    Let me clarify some things in this post, since I’m getting some common responses here and in the blog comments.

    Elder Empire didn’t sell well compared to Traveler’s Gate and Cradle. It actually sold fine, it’s just that the books were spread out over such a long time that the income was unsustainable.

    If I could have released two pairs a year, it would have been perfectly viable, but my fingers would have fallen off like a leper’s.

    And when they read something like this, a lot of people react by explaining to me why they’ve never tried to read the books.

    First off, that’s fine! Any new story concept is going to have people it turns off, and I understand that going into everything I write. And this one in particular is weird and confusing on the surface.

    I think there’s this perception that I blame readers for EE not selling as well as TG or Cradle, and that is ridiculously not the case.

    Though I tend to mention it a lot, Elder Empire selling not-quite-as-well has never bothered me emotionally very much.

    I never expected to succeed as an author in the first place, so I saw Traveler’s Gate’s high sales as the fluke and Elder Empire as the expected outcome.

    My business manager mentioned to me not too long ago: “You know, you really never got upset by Elder Empire not selling well.” And I hadn’t thought about it much, but it genuinely never did bother me.

    I would characterize my reaction as “Eh, I wish that had sold better. Oh well. I hope they enjoy the next one!”

    I definitely take some things too personally, but EE’s less-than-stellar performance isn’t one of them.

    Footnote: In reference to this blog post.
    Sources: Reddit
    July - December 2020 ()
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    Questioner

    Why doesn't Will have more merch?

    Will Wight

    It takes a lot of time, effort, and money to develop a single product like that. Laura Verdin, the artist responsible for developing some of the merchandise you linked, is a professional designer and illustrator who makes a living designing excellent merchandise.

    I make a living selling books.

    The only reason we have merchandise at all is because people asked for it, and said some merch is better than nothing, and they just want a Cradle shirt to wear.

    Okay, great! We have that now.

    Would we make more money if we developed higher-quality merchandise and put effort into promoting and selling it? Yes!

    But there’s a massive amount of up-front cost in both time and energy to doing that.

    To me, not selling merchandise is not a problem that requires a solution. It’s not a problem at all. I don’t care if we sell merchandise or not; if you want something we have, cool! If not, no problem!

    Those Undertale shirts you linked? Toby Fox didn’t develop those. A quick search around the site suggests he didn’t hire anyone to make them either; they’re fans who are providing a product to other fans under an official license.

    If a professional merch designer wants to jump on Cradle and start making official products, we’d be willing to talk.

    LLJKCicero

    That all makes sense. I'm not saying you should care solely because of revenue you're missing out on, I think people would view it as a cool thing to do for your fandom.

    Now, I wouldn't want to burden you personally with managing this kind of thing, I'm sure you're quite busy enough as it is. But as Cradle gets more and more popular, surely at some point it makes sense to hire a businessperson to manage all the things related to your books that aren't actually writing them? Like, I doubt Toby Fox is personally managing all the Undertale merch at Fangamer.

    Will Wight

    I already do have people who handle stuff that isn’t writing, and if we were to expand our merchandise, they would handle it.

    But our current level of merch requires minimal management, and even that takes time and money to do. To expand our merch would mean hiring someone to run the store full-time, contracting artists to make better stuff, and managing the people involved.

    Minimum, that requires more money and time and attention from me just to get the ball rolling. And that’s if I’m never involved in it again.

    On top of which, that energy from my team is going to merchandise instead of anywhere else.

    My Undertale example was meant to illustrate that Undertale has thousands of professional-quality artists making professional-level art for Undertale for free because they love it so much, so then the task is “Hire one of these people and get them to do their thing under our official banner.”

    And even if we were in that scenario, just THAT is three orders of magnitude more difficult and expensive than what we’re currently doing.

    Not to mention that Undertale has a hundred times the fanbase.

    This stuff just takes more time and energy and money than people realize. For tertiary products that, quite frankly, we aren’t sure would be self-sustaining no matter how great they are.

    We would need a LOT of Cradle fans to buy merch to justify that kind of expense. A higher percentage than is realistic to expect.

    Could we make our money back on one incredible shirt design? Maybe. But we’re very far from certain that we could, even if we hired Leonardo Da Vinci’s ghost to draw us T-shirts.

    July - December 2020 ()
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    Nugget Monkey

    Have any sacred artists on a pure path ever advanced to a high stage, like sage or herald or above?

    Will Wight

    No, not really

    Nugget Monkey

    Do you think if the Heaven and Earth Purification Wheel was common knowledge pure paths would be equally viable as a path choice, and pure paths would be more developed by now?

    Will Wight

    I don’t think so, no

    July - December 2020 ()
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    Nugget Monkey

    Would Lindon have won in Uncrowned if he had fought Yerin from the beginning and not been weakened a decent amount before beginning to fight?

    Will Wight

    Possibly! That would have made it more likely for sure.

    Jan to Jun 2020 ()
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    Majedic

    What level would Elder Whisker be outside of the Sacred Valley?

    Will Wight

    Outside of Sacred Valley, or in Sacred Valley without the "curse," he'd be considered a Truegold.

    Footnote: Whisker = Elder Whisper.
    Sources: Reddit
    July - December 2020 ()
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    LonerActual

    What happened to story resolutions/denouements?

    A major component in a story seems to be atrophying as I continue to read. You've got your narrative hooks, your expositions, rising action, climax, etc, but it seems like many authors don't bother to write more than a token resolution/outro to their stories anymore.

    Remember Harry Potter? After the big battle, there was always the hospital scene (resolution), where we learn of the fallout and changes that the results of the climax are going to have on the world or story as a whole, then the end of the year feast, serving as a decompression, and finally the train-ride home.

    Ok I saw Return of the King also, and I agree, endings can go on too long. However, endings in the vein of A New Hope to me are even worse. "Here's your medal, now go away!" is to me jarring and fundamentally unsatisfying.

    The last few books I've read, to continue with the Harry Potter example, have only given me the hospital wing scene. The beat-to-hell hero is told how things fell out after they lost consciousness. End of story. No Feast, no train-ride, no decompression.

    I bring up "A New Hope" specifically because I remember reading something from author Jim Butcher that this was what he modeled his conclusions on. I love me some Jim Butcher but I disagree with this specific conclusion of his completely, and I wanted to know what people who are a bit more educated than me on the subject might think, and this seems like a good place for that.

    Will Wight

    That’s a really good question, and I can speak for myself/hazard a guess, though of course I can’t speak for every writer out there.

    The style right now is to get out as soon after the climax as you can, in order to make the third act feel like a memorable gut-punch rather than a punch to the gut followed by a lengthy period of recovery that gives the reader’s emotions time to cool down.

    There’s also the series component, as in “If the next installment is coming out in six months or less, why would I tie up lingering story threads after the plot of this installment has been resolved? I can just do it in the next one.”

    People tend to lose interest quickly when there’s nothing to work toward anymore, and once the climax has ended, then the goal is either achieved or not achieved. And it takes a lot of confidence to say “Now that you’ve read my story about fighting Godzilla, I’m sure you’ll also want to see my characters going back home and starting an ordinary life again after Godzilla’s dead and buried.”

    Having said that, I think the one exception is at the end of a series. You DO want to see the characters going back to their boring ordinary lives after going on an awesome adventure for years, because that’s the payoff. That’s what you were really reading for all this time. And if you made it to the end of a massive series without investing in the characters and their lives to some degree, then...how did you do that?

    And having said THAT, nothing says there can’t be actual falling action and resolution in each book of a story. Harry Potter is a good example, but part of what makes it work for Harry is that it’s a narrow scope, and that each book is structured after a school year.

    Narrow scope: it’s just Harry. We get to see the fallout of the book’s events on Hogwarts at the end-of-term feast, then Harry and Ron and Hermione separate with implications of what they’re going to do that summer, but we don’t follow Ron or Hermione home. We follow Harry home, because there’s one main character and we can stay focused on him.

    Structure: you’re not really reading Harry Potter to see if he finds the Philosopher’s Stone and saves the school or if he gets murdered, you’re reading to see him go through an imaginative school year of magic and adventure.

    Sure, the plot part keeps you reading, but with a structure like that you don’t immediately lose narrative momentum as soon as the primary plot question is resolved. You can get away with three more chapters of no danger because there’s still magic and imagination on display and the school year isn’t over yet.

    Books that don’t have such a structure aren’t working with quite as much leeway, because the assumption is that the readers are reading to see the conclusion of the plot. And once that’s over they want the book to be too.

    That’s the theory, anyway.

    ConeheadSlim

    Your theory may illustrate the difference between plot-based and character-based readers. As said elsewhere, at the end of the Wheel of Time we have much invested in a large number of individual characters, and we want to see what happens with them regardless of the outcome of the Last Battle. If one doesn't put much effort in their characters, I can see why they wouldn't want to stretch their plot out.

    Will Wight

    I see what you mean, but I don't think I agree.

    In Wheel of Time's case, the series DID need a more thorough resolution, and (I suspect) would have had one if Robert Jordan had been around to write it. But of course it needed one: like I said above, the end of a series generally needs proper wrap-up regardless, and how would any reader get to the end of such a huge series if they didn't sympathize with the characters?

    It's not really about the amount of effort you put into your characters. While there are readers who prefer a tight plot and readers who would be fine reading a story about a handful of fascinating characters doing nothing in particular, I also don't think it has to do with one type of reader or another.

    Even if you don't have a drawn-out denouement and resolution, you still want strong characters in the entire rest of the story, so not having those things doesn't really reflect an emphasis on plot over characters.

    A properly executed resolution is part of a well-structured plot, so that also doesn't mean choosing characters over plot.

    When you're designing a story, you have to assume what your readers are primarily reading for, and plot accordingly. If you're writing a mystery where the driving motivating factor is supposed to be the reader's curiosity as to who killed the Space Pope, then it makes sense not to stick around too long after the killer has been revealed.

    If instead you're writing a story about (just off the top of my head) a boy going to wizard school, then the thing driving the reader to keep reading is presumably "I want to see what happens to this guy at wizard school." So you can afford to spend a little extra time on that.

    Which doesn't have much to do with the amount of effort invested or not invested into your characters, because Harry Potter is a bland character with very few unique personality traits. He's...brave, and...other things, probably.

    But that doesn't impact the series almost at all, because you still sympathize with Harry, his decisions and actions usually drive the plot, the side characters are great, the world is great, and generally speaking the plot is interesting and very engaging.

    TL;DR - I don't think any kind of "plot vs. character" dichotomy affects this decision at all.

    Will's Life ()
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    Questioner (paraphrased)

    What is the connection between Great Elders and Incarnations?

    Will Wight (paraphrased)

    An Incarnation has become a living manifestation of their Territory. They're carrying the physical laws of their world around with them, so to speak, and earth warps to meet that.

    In a similar way, the Elders are using their Intent to corrupt the world around them. It's a part of who and what they are. Each of them exists for a specific purpose, and they're constantly trying to recreate the world in their image.

    It's not much of a distinction in effect, I'll grant you that. But Elders and Incarnations are different. For one thing, Elders were never human.

    Will's Life ()
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    George

    Are there any obscure objects in the house of blades like "the stone cup of bladder control" that aren't life savers but just kind of convenient?

    Will Wight

    Every prize in Valinhall was created to solve a specific problem that you'd face while fighting enemy Travelers.

    None of them are useless...but yeah, some of them are weird.

    Will's Life ()
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    Jacob

    I've wanted to know why Denner is a specialist in taking down flying creatures since I first read it in the Crimson vault. But it's not answered! Not even in the short story about him in Avernus! So if you could please enlighten me and others like me? :)

    Will Wight

    Honestly? It started as kind of an inside joke among the original Dragon Army. They made Denner fight the flying creatures that are annoying to fight, and then they kept making him do it with the justification that he had more experience.

    Eventually, he got good at it.

    July - December 2020 ()
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    flanixx

    Will, in the 'Reports' that are not marked with someone's name (such as Suriel) are we supposed to be reading that as a mystery and figuring out who it is that is accessing those reports or is that just your way of giving us info and backstory?

    Will Wight

    It’s not a mystery. 90% of the time it’s just Suriel.

    July - December 2020 ()
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    Ray745

    So in the Uncrowned King tournament there are 8 Monarch factions, 8 sets of teams, 8 factions giving gifts etc, etc. However, everyone believes Northstrider died 6 years ago. Everyone also knows Northstrider has no faction of his own, so it's not like the Arelius faction which still has people who are able to choose competitors and give out gifts to the other teams. If the 9CC truly believed NS to be dead, as the 9C Soul stated, then why would they have a NS team in the tourney? Who would have been selecting the competitors or giving gifts? The Beast King? It doesn't seem to me like they are together in any official way, just friends and allies. Has this ever been brought up before? Was everyone not surprised to see 4 full teams of Underlords for NS before he showed up at the beginning?

    Will Wight

    It was more of a surprise that House Arelius showed up.

    There are lots of unaffiliated Heralds and Sages who compete under Northstrider’s banner, so it was always expected that they would show up in his name until one among them ascended to Monarch.

    July - December 2020 ()
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    GuitarViking

    Zorrus does "gather up golden fire in her mouth" in Uncrowned, so I went from there - but I agree, you're probably right that she's not on the Path of Flowing Flame. Fingers crossed we learn more in Wintersteel, haha. Thanks for reading, I'm glad you liked it!

    Will Wight

    Well I can’t speak to whether or not she appears in Wintersteel, but I can say that Xorrus is on a variation of the Path of the Wasteland. Her sacred arts are not exactly the same as Sesh’s, though they are similar.

    In my notes, I have Xorrus on the Path of the Burning Wasteland (although that name is not final unless it makes it into the books).

    July - December 2020 ()
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    UserInterface7

    I often wonder if you sit at home with a drink and laugh your arse off reading these theory’s (or maybe sit the drink down very carefully when someone guesses something you have planned for the future)

    Will Wight

    Every once in a while I’m boggled at what people guess with such little information, but in general I just enjoy seeing people discussing the books at all!

    UserInterface7

    Do you ever get nervous that someone is close to a plot point, then keep reading and find out they are way off?

    Will Wight

    Yeah for sure, but despite what you might think I don’t really care if a plot point is guessed in advance.

    Any multi-book “twist” will be guessed if there are enough people guessing, and in a popular series, there WILL be enough people guessing.

    So the value of a reveal can’t entirely rely on surprise. The moment should land whether the reader guessed it or not.

    Also, I feel like people think I value surprise more than I do. Surprise doesn’t really have any inherent value.

    It would be incredibly surprising if Lindon transformed into a chipmunk and spent the rest of the series trying to steal a magical Roomba, but that doesn’t make it a good story decision.

    July - December 2020 ()
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    chrisisbest197

    This is just a guess, but I'm thinking Will will probably write Wintersteel, another Cradle book, and then start a brand new series or start writing the Travelers Blade.

    Will Wight

    That was my initial plan. Wintersteel, Cradle 9, new thing (Traveler’s Blade is still on the table), Cradle 10.

    That’s a very, very soft plan, though. We change plans all the time. And even if we write them in that order, they might come out in a different order.

    Like I could write Cradle 8 & 9 and then the new thing, but write and release Cradle 10 first while holding the new thing back.

    Point is, I don’t know. Always in motion is the future. But that was our original goal!

    July - December 2020 ()
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    Ray745

     I saw this sentence in the same chapter we first see "web of madra" used and it caught my eye

    "Well this is a lucky daym" he said, hopping down from the wall. His blond hair flowed behind him like a banner, and a simple Endorcer technique made him drift slowly to the muddy ground.

    I know of no Enforcer technique that would be able to slow someone falling. In fact, the only way Eithan, specifically, could slow himself would be with soulfire controlling aura. Either Will made a typo there or just hadn't fully mapped out the sacred arts system in his head yet, this is Chapter 5 of Soulsmith, our first meeting with Eithan, so I can't say for sure which it might be, I'd be interested to hear /u/Will_Wight 's answer to it.

    Will Wight

    It’s a construct that makes him lighter.

    Middle of chapter eight (Soulsmith):

    Eithan skipped along behind, touching down with one foot and using an Enforcer binding to launch himself far enough that he almost appeared to be drifting through the air.

    In my original character sheet for him, he used the construct all the time, and we were going to explore it in Blackflame. But he didn’t really need it, so I just didn’t go into it.

    July - December 2020 ()
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    Thelonelypartygoer

    It's repeatedly mentioned in the text of Traveler's Gate that Lirial, as a territory, is ill suited to open combat, but I don't see how to reconcile that with the Lirial powers we've seen. The ability to call Lirial crystals alone seems like it would be an overwhelmingly powerful combat ability and it's one that I don't think we've seen any good answers to from other territories. The fact that Leah easily dispatched grandmaster Endross seems telling. Is this a contradiction or am I missing something?

    Will Wight

    Leah is extraordinary by Lirial standards, though I didn’t convey that very well because of the lack of other Lirial Travelers to compare.

    They mostly have entirely utility powers. Her being able to call crystal so much and on such a scale is extremely unusual.

    It’s like you have a Bard class who specializes entirely in support magic, only there’s one specific bard who strides into battle with a flaming electric guitar chainsaw and goes around slicing dudes in half to the tune of his own sick riffs.

    If you saw that guy, you’d be like “Wait a second, who said bards aren’t a combat class?”

    Leah is that bard.

    July - December 2020 ()
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    Slogfarts

    Is Lindon's name a reference to Lyndon Hardy?

    Will Wight

    My choice of name for Lindon had nothing to do with him, sorry to disappoint!

    I’ve read his books, but they don’t have any sort of special place in my heart or anything.

    July - December 2020 ()
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    emperor_calder

    Interesting Contradictions in Lindon's FateWhen Suriel first examines Lindon's fate:

    The boy fights against a relative of his, a young man with long black hair and an iron badge. The boy cheats, releases emerald hornets, ekes out a technical victory.

    With a bulky brown pack on his back, he bends his head over a scroll, studying a Path by candlelight in someone else’s home.

    And when she shows him his fate later:

    The frozen world was wiped out, replaced with another. He was still standing on the stone of the arena stage, but the clouds Li Markuth summoned had never appeared, and the sun beat down out of a clear sky. Wei Jin Amon faced him, and though he resisted longer than anyone expected, he still lost.

    That night, he nursed his wounds alone when the First Elder barged in without knocking. The old man slapped a book down on his table: Path of the White Fox.

    Will Wight

    This is intentional. She’s showing him something that is equally likely to occur as what she saw earlier.

    The details change, but the broad strokes don’t.